New RP standards in Chat!

[Kozack]

So, Kozack, what you are saying is that you want it your way and no one else gets to have an opinion? Because, according to your end of the argument, that seems to be your underlying point. Now, as far as I can tell, the changes have been asked for well before you came along, Kozack. Seems to me that the battle you want to wage was lost before it started. Then there is one fact overlooked here. There is always Whispers. You don't have to just sit in an empty room and do nothing. Yes Whispers may be a little more involved, but you cannot deny them the usage they probably see anyway. I can understand your point, Kozack. I am not into the whole public scene and I am very sure Libby and the Admin took notice that there would be opposition to this change and took what measure they could to stem negativity. You point has been made, Kozack, and iut is now time to either accept it and find ways to cope or move on and find another Chat. Keep in mind, however, you will not be able to avoid Public Yiffing elsewhere forever. Furries tend to lean towards yiff heavily and I have run across ALOT of other sites that are just as relaxed on the rules. I would encourage you to stay and give it a chance. People here seem respectable and I don't see chat becoming a non-stop orgy right off the bat. It may not be as bad as you might think.

I don't see how you can interpret it that way. As I said many a time, I can understand it if it's in the majorities desire. I was merely stating my not liking it, and adding a few flaws to the idea of going to a different channel. There needs to be an addition of a "casual RP" channel, or a "non-adult" RP channel.

I'm not trying to battle or anything.

[Bones]

I've seen a few people complaining about this change. Here in the forums, and in the chat. And I've come to a few conclusions. Buckle up, kiddies.

1.) By and large, those of you complaining in the forums have come into the chat -very little- as I've seen. As such, I think this is a change that you are not educated enough to make a comment on, personally. Since the change has been implemented, I have not once seen public sex RP. People here are respectful, and they don't just wave their wang around at the first chance. But because you all have just been negative nancy flavored since you read that things were changing (which, btw, it seems like a complaint just to complain, to me, if you aren't even joining the chat), you haven't bothered to pop into the chat much and see what's going on. Further, if you want there to be RP that isn't sex related, Azh has provided us with a really amazing room set up. Do something. Further, there's also a room of requirement sort of channel. If there's not something for you in the main channel, you can literally create your own environment with some imagination.

2.) FW has always encouraged more thought provoking RP beyond "two characters meet, two character bang." If two people are RPing sex in the main channel, chances are there's something more going on between their characters. This isn't just about sex, more often than not. And if you all took the chance to slow down and think about that, maybe the RP that goes on, well written as it is, might intrigue you more. Sex is a part of life. It's rare you're going to find an RP that is COMPLETELY void of anything sex flavored. At least here it's well written.

3.) If you don't want to RP at all? There are channels for that. You're complaining that you can't just speak casually with people. And there are a few of you complaining about that. Okay, so move channels and talk to each other? Some initiative is required, I get that. But I think you all can manage that. You navigated to the site yourself. It's just a few more clicks.

4.) Whispers are too limiting for you? You want to talk to more than one friend at a time? Well, each user is provided with their own private room. The best thing about this is that you can invite any number of players that you'd like! It's entirely up to you! You can RP there, sex, not sex, just causal conversation, or a mix of it all! There's no rules at all there. I've had around 15 people in my private room at once for a very large community RP. There's no excuse here, in my opinion. If you want something, make it happen.

5.) This change was implemented in order to encourage the growth of this website. If you don't like this change, please suggest an alternative that will attract and keep fresh members rolling in and participating in events and the site at wide. If your option works, then the need to have the main channel exciting and not a bunch of afk or idling usernames will vanish, and they'll be able to set it back to a PG channel.

6.) You are hanging out in the forums already and ignoring the public sex RP threads (which by and large get the most attention aside from forum games). If you're able to be adult enough to brush over those posts and not get overly offended and upset by them, why can't you do the same in the chat? Someone's got a paragraph long post about how they're taking it up the ass? You don't want to see it? Easy fix: don't read it. You might glimpse a word or two. But honestly, if you are offended by a word or two, you might not be old enough to be a member on this website anyway.

I know this is a long post. Thank you for humoring me. But honestly, there are so many solutions to, honestly, a nonissue. If you don't like something, ignore it. It isn't hurting you. If you want another channel to be more popular, populate it. If you think there needs to be a channel added, then have a discussion with Libby and Azh (for the record, and those of you who do not know, Libby is our Admin and Azh is our technical Admin; meaning he'll add the channel, but you should be discussing these things with her as much or more). They want this site to thrive, not wither and die. If there's a real demand and need for something, they'll listen. Give it a chance.

[Libby]

Honestly I probably would have if there had been a better solution for me personally. I don't mind the RP by in large, I just don't want to be punished for not partaking because I don't want to RP. And judging from this post I'm in the minority for that group so going to a non-RP channel would be a moot point because there'd be nobody in there.
And I like talking to multiple people, so I don't want to sit here juggling whispers when I want to chat with buddies and such, I very rarely only have a one on one conversation unless we're doing something that actually needs to be private.
I guess my biggest hangup on the whole deal is the zero tolerance for people who don't want to RP in general, but still want to chill with their buddies who do, if that makes any sense.

Also sorry for being kurt at any point this weekend, I was pretty sloshed most of the time

So you're saying even doing something as minimal as yawning, stretching, shifting position, looking in a direction, describing any minuscule action AT ALL is too much for you, so you'd rather leave than take the time to put a little creativity into a reply or statement?

[Blackhawk]

Honestly I probably would have if there had been a better solution for me personally. I don't mind the RP by in large, I just don't want to be punished for not partaking because I don't want to RP. And judging from this post I'm in the minority for that group so going to a non-RP channel would be a moot point because there'd be nobody in there.
And I like talking to multiple people, so I don't want to sit here juggling whispers when I want to chat with buddies and such, I very rarely only have a one on one conversation unless we're doing something that actually needs to be private.
I guess my biggest hangup on the whole deal is the zero tolerance for people who don't want to RP in general, but still want to chill with their buddies who do, if that makes any sense.

Also sorry for being kurt at any point this weekend, I was pretty sloshed most of the time

So you're saying even doing something as minimal as yawning, stretching, shifting position, looking in a direction, describing any minuscule action AT ALL is too much for you, so you'd rather leave than take the time to put a little creativity into a reply or statement?

I work long hours and I'm usually pretty drained by the time I'm home. It's a good day when I can write coherent sentences without much trouble, let alone trying to figure out what my fictional character would be doing at the same time. Again I have no problem with (most) RP, personally don't like trying to talk over people bumping nasties but that's not the topic at hand, I'm just not a fan of the way it's being implemented in a "RP or else" fashion.
Some days I'm energetic enough/in the mood for/etc for some RP, but there's (probably more) days where I'm just too tired to give a damn about what Hawke's doing in his fictional land.

[Bones]

Honestly I probably would have if there had been a better solution for me personally. I don't mind the RP by in large, I just don't want to be punished for not partaking because I don't want to RP. And judging from this post I'm in the minority for that group so going to a non-RP channel would be a moot point because there'd be nobody in there.
And I like talking to multiple people, so I don't want to sit here juggling whispers when I want to chat with buddies and such, I very rarely only have a one on one conversation unless we're doing something that actually needs to be private.
I guess my biggest hangup on the whole deal is the zero tolerance for people who don't want to RP in general, but still want to chill with their buddies who do, if that makes any sense.

Also sorry for being kurt at any point this weekend, I was pretty sloshed most of the time

So you're saying even doing something as minimal as yawning, stretching, shifting position, looking in a direction, describing any minuscule action AT ALL is too much for you, so you'd rather leave than take the time to put a little creativity into a reply or statement?

I work long hours and I'm usually pretty drained by the time I'm home. It's a good day when I can write coherent sentences without much trouble, let alone trying to figure out what my fictional character would be doing at the same time. Again I have no problem with (most) RP, personally don't like trying to talk over people bumping nasties but that's not the topic at hand, I'm just not a fan of the way it's being implemented in a "RP or else" fashion.
Some days I'm energetic enough/in the mood for/etc for some RP, but there's (probably more) days where I'm just too tired to give a damn about what Hawke's doing in his fictional land.

This sounds like an excuse just to complain to me, still, honestly. No one is FORCING you to post a fifteen paragraph explication on exactly what your character is doing when. In fact, what Libby wants is probably something you already do without realizing it. Furthermore, as said many times, if you really just want to have conversation with ZERO RPing going on for yourself or those around you, there are other channels for that. No one is limiting you, or forcing you to do anything. In fact, the change is the removal of limits, for those that were forced to restrict their creative flow. And still, four full days after it's been enacted, I've not seen a single couple (or more) flapping their dicks around, getting in other people's ways.

As I understand, you are fairly new to FW. As such, you might not know this, but people here are pretty chill. In general, that is. If someone's RPing something you are insanely uncomfortable with, you are always free to ask them to either 1) tone it down, or 2) maybe take it private. They are not obligated to, but the chances of someone not wanting to make others uncomfortable here is high. It's a nice community, and as soon as you stop complaining and give it a chance, you might see that.

[Cynergi]

It is odd.  I do not see any bumping and grinding going on.  Why not just give it a chance? Why even join the chat if you are unwilling to RP? Were you unaware of this site's purpose?

[Blackhawk]

It is odd.  I do not see any bumping and grinding going on.  Why not just give it a chance? Why even join the chat if you are unwilling to RP? Were you unaware of this site's purpose?

I joned cause Kris invitied me. And she pretty much described it as a place where you can RP if you wish, but most people hang out. Hell when I first got here if people were going to RP they'd go to the... Room of necessity? I think that's what it was called, can't remember honestly. People could do general, light RP in the main chat but if they were going to be getting more intimate or doing more in depth RP they'd go to one of the other channels. I fail to see how this was an inefficient system, but that's just my personal opinion.

As for "Why even join the chat if you are unwilling to RP?" Pretty sure I already said that in here, but just in case I haven't, I actually enjoy just talking to people, not trying to pretend to be someone else (shocker I know). I liked shooting the shit with people and not having to think "What would Hawke do" or some crazy shit. 9 times out of 10 it's not even that I'm unwilling, I'm just unable, sleep deprivation and stress mix for one helluva brain fryer by the time you're done with work.

And Bones (sorry for post mod, missed your reply): I asked if people were going to be punished for not RP'ing and was told that "if it comes to that, yes." I don't think that's really opening people's options up. Literally the only problem I have is that. I don't care if people RP in chat, I don't enjoy when people fuck in chat but most of the time it doesn't get bad enough to where it makes it difficult for people to converse "normally."

[Bones]

It is odd.  I do not see any bumping and grinding going on.  Why not just give it a chance? Why even join the chat if you are unwilling to RP? Were you unaware of this site's purpose?

I joned cause Kris invitied me. And she pretty much described it as a place where you can RP if you wish, but most people hang out. Hell when I first got here if people were going to RP they'd go to the... Room of necessity? I think that's what it was called, can't remember honestly. People could do general, light RP in the main chat but if they were going to be getting more intimate or doing more in depth RP they'd go to one of the other channels. I fail to see how this was an inefficient system, but that's just my personal opinion.

As for "Why even join the chat if you are unwilling to RP?" Pretty sure I already said that in here, but just in case I haven't, I actually enjoy just talking to people, not trying to pretend to be someone else (shocker I know). I liked shooting the shit with people and not having to think "What would Hawke do" or some crazy shit. 9 times out of 10 it's not even that I'm unwilling, I'm just unable, sleep deprivation and stress mix for one helluva brain fryer by the time you're done with work.

And Bones (sorry for post mod, missed your reply): I asked if people were going to be punished for not RP'ing and was told that "if it comes to that, yes." I don't think that's really opening people's options up. Literally the only problem I have is that. I don't care if people RP in chat, I don't enjoy when people fuck in chat but most of the time it doesn't get bad enough to where it makes it difficult for people to converse "normally."

You're operating under a lot of what ifs and assumptions, it seems to me. I had real life stuff going on when you joined, so I wasn't around. I don't know what things were like then. But at the end of the day, it has been decided that this is something the site is going to try, so that when new people come (for furry fandom debauchery, as most new people do come for) they see that we are active and that we accept all sorts of RP and RP styles. This isn't some sort of ploy to turn the main channel into a sex crazed orgy pit. Literally almost nothing has changed.

As for being forced to RP, we've gone over in detail how you can go around that if you do not wish to simply exert minimal effort. You can 1) simply make minimal actions occasionally with the people you are chatting with, 2) go to the other channels, 3) use whispers, or 4) move to a private channel with the people you'd like to chat with. I've known Libby for a while now, and she's never gotten unnecessarily angry that what I've said to the chat hasn't included an action which extends 140 characters. It isn't like this is some fascist regime all of a sudden. Typing up a "waves to [insert name], then turns back to [insert name]." here and there isn't going to kill you. If you don't have the mental fortitude enough for that kind of thing, how do you have the mentality to maintain a conversation at all?

It's like I said before, these are essentially complaints just to complain. You haven't even been in the chat, that I've seen, since this was posted. You have zero idea what's actually going on in the chat, and therefore you cannot make an educated opinion about it. Furthermore, as Libby said, if you were already leaving anyway, why does this effect you? Personally, I don't want anyone to leave the chat, and believe there are several options open to you, but if you aren't enjoying it, why continue to try to start drama in the forum section of our site?